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Circling the Drain

A podcast about the period BEFORE you stop getting your period. The concept of a woman "circling the drain" conjures up negative imagery for some, but the origin of this as the name of the podcast has a story. A friend, in her 30's at the time, was listing her ailments to a male physician who clearly had a terrible bedside manner, because he responded to her complaints by shrugging his shoulders in a dismissive fashion and saying something like, "I don't know what to tell you. From now on, you're basically just circling the drain!" Co-hosts Ellie and Julia have been laughing at the audacity of this tone-deaf interaction ever since, and when they decided to start this podcast about the plight of the aging woman, they chose to reclaim and repurpose the phrase in the spirit of humor. Every human on the planet is circling the drain from the moment we are born. The question is, how slowly and gracefully can we spiral? And can we minimize the discomfort while we whirl? Perimenopausal co-hosts Ellie and Julia take a deep dive into the sometimes embarrassing, often hilarious, and always bewildering issues of the hormonal changes that take place in midlife. Through honest accounts, thoughtful interviews, and group panel discussions, their mission is to make you chuckle, make you nod your head in recognition, and hopefully make some scientific progress.

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Circling the Drain

Vagina Science with Rachel E. Gross

September 13, 2023 • Ellie Dvorkin Dunn & Julia Granacki with Rachel E. Gross • Season 3 • Episode 58

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Rachel E. Gross is an award-winning science journalist who wrote an incredible book called Vagina Obscura which was a finalist for the 2023 Andrew Carnegie Medal for Excellence in Nonfiction. Go ahead and be impressed, but do not be intimidated. Rachel will enthrall you with stories of outlandish treatments for ailments that plague people with female reproductive systems, including a personal tale involving rat poison and her own vagina. She takes us back through history to when the fallopian tubes were named after an Italian Catholic priest and when Freud decided that all "women's issues" were psychological. She discusses how medical terminology can be harmful, placing blame on the woman or the body part itself. If that's not enough to draw you in, listen as we realize that both Ellie and Julia know a ton about bacterial vaginosis, and in a delightful epiphany, Ellie gives the perfect name to the wall of vagina-inspired art in Rachel's home. Bonus points if you count the number of times "vagina" is said in this episode.

Topics and timestamps
10:40 - How Rachel got into writing about science, specifically the science of vaginas
18:02 - The Vagina Poison Story
24:37 - The microbiome of the vagina
30:57 - How medical language puts the blame on the body part (#incompetentcervix)
38:50 - Ancient ideas that have been carried through to modern medicine
43:46 - Thoughts on implanting bits of ovarian tissue to stave off menopause

Handles and sites
Rachel's website
Rachel's writing
Rachel's Insta
Buy Vagina Obscura

List of Resources Mentioned
Pooping only every 3 or more days linked with cognitive decline, research finds
Rachel telling her vagina rat poison story on Story Collider
Doing Harm by Maya Dusenbery

Other Links
Erin's Faces Affiliate Link
Julia G Wellness
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Ellie Dvorkin Dunn

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Julia Granacki

Co-host